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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:29 pm 
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After rebuilding the computer, finally finding all my software, taking a break from more important projects (like my Spanish conquistador war mumak) I've been altering the base pdf for a release probably early 2010 to fix the glaring mistakes from such an old document written mostly before I had many source books. At this point in time due to changes in work and home circumstances working on Aztec material is a low priority.

Regretably for the dogmatics following in the footsteps of 19th and 20th century random scholars, including some of Hassig's work, the concepts of bows and slings for commoners only is overturned for all time. Frankly Hassig needs a smack around for his poor work in relation to the Aztec military system, particularly as most of it is plainly discussed through the source material in between the campaign data he collated. His work on the campaigns may or may not be of higher quality. I think it is, but I haven't cross checked the sources to confirm he did his job well. Because the campaigns are fairly straight forward and any idiot could compile them (not that I'm calling him an idiot which is untrue) I take the material he has done in relation to them on face value. I've read his book on the trade system, and while it appears to be of higher quality research, I do still have qualms with some of it. For the time being I remain skeptical of the veracity of his early work in relation to the military system, enough basically to bin that section of his works as I bin Pohl's work.


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:13 pm 
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There is currently a translation issue with the nahua word macehualtin. In general terms the existing translation is literally 'commoner' as in a social rank. This appears to be invalid, and in general terms it should be relationally considered in regard to the rest of the context. For example, commoners when speaking in relation to say Monty II can include the pipiltin. It merely means the common variety or those of a lower social rank in regard to the higher status of the main subject. In military terms it refers to those not of command or tequihua rank. This can generally be infered by studying the general texts, but militarily is brought home when in religious contexts the 2 captive warrior with his suit is referred to as a commoner, when in fact to be a 2 captive warrior with a cuextecatl suit one must already be of the pipiltin (nobles.) This issue is also exacerbated by the Spanish of the time referring to warriors as peons. To the modern tongue, a peon is generally considered to be of low social rank such as a farmer or labourer. Again by studying it's use in the 16th-18th century Spanish texts it is clear peon also infers the ordinary warrior - so that within Corteses army the swordsmen are called peons, regardless of what their social status was whether hidalgo or whatever. The early Spanish texts therefore use the term peon to interchange macehualtin quite happily because essentually thy have a contextual similarity. Be aware of the subtlety when working with texts.


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:54 pm 
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The pamitl back banners on the tzitzimitl suit are not white but silver. You also have the option to make them gold. The feathers are quetzal.

The huitznahuatl on Mendoza plate 67r as the warrior lord has nothing in common with the huitznahuatl on plate 66r and listed as commander and officer, like a constable. If you can't determine why, you are best not trying to make any further conclusions in regards to the Aztecs.

I have long believed the otomi warrior banner, and also the aztec national banner of the same style, was a hunting net (probably a butterfy net) however, it appears it may be a stylised ear of corn :O

hmm, have you ever thought cuachiqueh are the embodiement of Tezcatlipoca? me too


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:40 pm 
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I wonder why no one has discussed the strong links between Tezcatlipoca, cuachiquehs and war.


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:01 pm 
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tzitzimitl = arrow (aside from our already proven transliteration from other sources as air demon) hence tlacochcalcatl = lord of the arrow house
both are representatives of tezcatlipoca who is the patron of the telpochcalli where warriors are trained hence war as Yaotzin, hence the image of tezcaptlipoca carrying 4 arrows hence 4 arrows sent as symbol of war and the hencey trail bounces along with all sorts of intriguing symbiosis.


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:43 pm 
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remember to discuss what makes up the black body colour at the face for priests, and the rest of the body for all.


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:48 pm 
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remember note that tlamacazquetequihua is 3 and 4 captive priest according to sahagun


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:34 pm 
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Discuss opposing evidence of the black facial painting of warriors, particularly in regard to the many errors in the Mendoza list to begin with.

Discuss gold rims to shields


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 8:54 pm 
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Due to changing jobs twice and having very different work hours, plus work on the house with major painting and renovations going on, work on this has been slow but progressing. I've just spent 3 months doing one small 4 page section relating to one tiny aspect to a depth of detail I assume not published before. There fore don't get excited this will be published anytime soon, as micro details are very tedious to cross check, and re translate to get rid of some errors by others.


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 Post subject: Re: Aztec Suit/Shield/Warrior Guide
PostPosted: Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:56 pm 
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ichcahuapillis made of maguey? hmm, anyone mention this to the 16/17th century nahua dictionary compilers and suggest they remove the word cotton?????? :shock:
for the technical people ichca is the derivative form of the nahua word for cotton - huipilli being what you almost assume it is


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